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ever happening again, senator. >> that did not satisfy the administration's leading critic, john mccain. >> i categorically reject your answer to senator johnson about, well, we didn't ask these survivors, who were flown to ramstein the next day, that is a spontaneous demonstration. the american people deserve to know answers. >>> diffusing the debt crisis, the house moving right now to raise the debt limit, but temporarily, and there's a catch. there's always a catch. >> this bill before us is real simple. it says, congress, if you don't do a budget, you don't get paid. >> this linkage is a gimmick, it's a joke, it's not right. it's designed to put people on the spot. >>> playing offense. the nra fights back against the president. >> he's more than willing to demonize his opponents, silence his critics, and slur the nra. >> our special guest, susan o z eisenhower taking on the web ad about the obama daughters. >>> and surprise, even bo obama gets into the act as the first family greets unsuspecting tourists at the white house. with, in fact, a fist bump from the commander in chief. >>
. women in combat, a big term for president obama. senator john mccain will join us with his take of women on the front line . the veteran who sued the federal government for right to serve on the front line. i hope you will join us. new multiyear highs and happening while 23 million americans are out of work or underemployed and more than 47 million on food stamps jutching 80 percent since 2007, and wayne, you say it shows it is the new normal in america. >> eric, so many people are dependent on the federal government to get mon yethey are used to it and we extended unemployment insurance. there is a more fundmental problem going on and that is educational. the lathe operator now replaced by a machine . the guy who operates that is a guy with computer knowledge. we are not educating our work force to support the kind of tech lodgical economy that we are going through. >> johnathon a new high in the stock market makes us take our eye off of the ball on unemployment. >> i am glad to see the market up, eric. but president obama's recovery is worst in moderp history . i think wayne's point al
delivery of justice that the american people want from this president. martha: as john mccain pointed out, two of those four americans died in the final hour of a seven-hour siege. there are really still a lot of questions about why not more was done and who did this. senator barrasso, thank you so much. always good to have you on the show. >> thanks, martha. bill: you wonder now if those answers will ever come public at any point. >>> phil mickelson is one of the greatest golfers in the world, taking questions on his taxes and that old fair share of his. mickelson explaining why he backed off on gripes that more than 60% of the his income goes to the government. >> my apology is, for talking about it publicly because i shouldn't take advantage of the forum that i have as a professional golfer to try to ignite change over these issues. i love this state. i grew up here. i love it here. and i'm certainly concerned for it. i never had a problem paying my fair share because, i know that there are very few countries in the world that let you do what you do and, live in this environment. bill:
one of the senators behind the bipartisan plan, john mccain. he's here to talk about immigration, guns, the upcoming confirmation hearing for defense secretary nominee chuck hagel, john mccain live this hour. >>> plus, a royal shake-up. a queen announces she's abdicating. her country is about to get a new king. >>> i'm wolf blitzer. >>> i'm wolf blitzer. you're in "the situation room." -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com >>> a new push to tackle one of the most contentious issues facing washington. just about 90 minutes or so ago, a bipartisan group of senators laid out a framework for an immigration reform bill. this comes as the white house is working on its own immigration bill and president obama will address the issue tomorrow in las vegas. the bipartisan senate plan includes a path to citizenship, but illegal immigrants will have to undergo a background check and pay a fine and back taxes before gaining legal status in the united states. all that is contingent on securing borders. the proposal provides for increased use of drones, more personnel and improved infrastructure and
in combat? >> well, it's people like senator john mccain, a vietnam veteran himself and member of the ranking armed services committee. here is what he had to say. >> i think women are obviously are prepared to serve side by side with men in combat. i just want to emphasize though, there should be the same physical and mental standards for anyone to perform certain roles and functions in the military. >> reporter: and many women say it's a question of equal rights as well, since serving in combat allows the soldiers to advance through the ranks farther and faster. >> harris: steve centanni reporting live from washington. thank you very much. >> reporter: you bet. >> harris: for the seconds time in two days we're hearing from former republican vice-presidential nominee wisconsin congressman paul ryan. hours ago, congressman ryan questioned president obama's economic strategy and called for a serious down payment on reducing our nation's ballooning debt. he was also asked about his thoughts on a possible presidential run atop the ticket in 2016 and he had an answer. >> i think
controversial. senator john kerry is much beloved by everybody and capitol hill and even john mccain said he would endorse him. so that will go through without controversy. i think both of these men will be confirmed previously. but people don't think the secretary of defense choice is a signal maybe we will not be as aggressive as some with light in defending israel. host: that is chuck hagel. minimum wage, you expect such issues to come up? guest: first, one of the things that was most interesting about the speech yesterday, coming off a campaign that was so focused on jobs, was the relative lack of a direct engagement with how you create jobs during the inaugural address. now, this was not a set of policy proposals, which woodpeck which there would be more about that in the state of the union. but it was striking that the focus of the campaign was not terribly reflected in the address that he gave yesterday. as far as some of these labor issues, a lot of this is going on in the state's. i think there is a national political aspect to this. i don't know, frankly, exactly what plans they ha
beloved by everyone on capitol hill. john mccain said he would endorse him. that will go through without controversy. both of these men will be confirmed easily. people think the secretary of defense choice is a signal that we will not be as aggressive as somewhat like in defending israel. host: minimum wage. do you expect those issues to gcome up>? guest: the campaign was focused on jobs. the relative lack of direct engagement with how you create jobs during the inaugural address. this was not a set of policy proposals. there will be more about this in the state of the union. it was striking that the focus of the campaign was not terribly reflected in the address he gave yesterday. as far as labor issues, a lot of this is going on in the states. there is a national political aspect to this. i do not know what plans they have for some of these issues. it was interesting yesterday that obama singled out issues like ensuring that women get equal pay as a key part of the principles he was trying to establish. host: republicans in the house and the senate, what are they saying on this? guest
foreign policy adviser to the john mccain campaign in 2008. he is the author of a new book called "invisible armies." a little more about the faces of your book -- a little more about the thesis of your book. this idea of guerrilla warfare is not something new. guest: i exam the long history of insurgency and guerrilla warfare and it predates conventional conflicts. tribal warfare is essentially grow warfare. conventional warfare is a relatively recent invention that only our rose about 5 under years ago in mesopotamia -- 500 years ago. what was the last conventional conflict that we have seen? 2008 when russia invaded georgia. there are thousands of people dying in countries like afghanistan, a rock, syria, -- mali. these are not conventional wars . we should not be surprised it has ever been thus and it will hus.ys pabe t they are the norm. we better be ready for the kind of wars we're seeing now. we're not going to be out of the business of fighting insurgencies. host: how is the u.s. military doing? how does the military prepare itself for future wars of this kind? guest: the
page of the wall street journal. "immigration debate gears up her." and here's john mccain talking about this proposal on abc. [video clip] >> i will give you some straight talk. look at the last election. we are losing dramatically in the hispanic vote, which we think should be ours for a variety of reasons. and we've got to understand that. second, we cannot go on forever with 11 million people living in this country in the shadows under an illegal status. we cannot forever have children who were born here, or brought here by their parents when there were small children and live in the shadows as well. so i think the time is right. host: that was senator john mccain. president obama and will be in las vegas on tuesday to lay out his vision on immigration. at c-span.org for all of our coverage of that event and when we finalize coverage details. the enormous object of the role of the united states on a world stage, we will go to kirby from quincy, illinois, on the democratic line. caller: thank you. i have been listening to some of these people calling in and criticizing mrs. clin
for illegal immigrants already in the country. senators john mccain and dick durbin say it's an issue which both sides are determined to compromise. >> how can we convince the republicans to a path to citizenship? >> i'll give you a little straight talk. look at the last election. look at the last election. we are losing dramatically the hispanic vote, which we think should be ours for a variety of reasons. and we've got to understand that. second of all, we can't go on forever with 11 million people living in this country in the shadows of an illegal status. we cannot forever have children who were born here, who were brought here by their parents when they were small children that live in the shadows as well. so i think the time is right. >> we are trying to work our way through some very difficult issues, but we are committed to a comprehensive approach to finally in this country have an immigration law that we can live with. we're putting as a high priority the unification of families, to make sure that families have a chance to come together. >>> the president has just outlined his own
's john mccain who championed reform then and now says he senses a major shift among his g.o.p. colleagues. >> you look at the demographics of this country and the rising hispanic population, we're not going to win races. >> reporter: you've tried so many times to pass immigration reform. what gives you confidence this time will be different? >> times have changed; americans have changed; elections have changed and i'm not saying it's going to be easy and i'm not saying we're going to be succeed this time but i think the chances are better than they've ever been. >> reporter: he and the other senators say they hope to put this plan into legislation that can be voted on in the senate by spring but, scott, already today a handful of republicans rushed to the senate floor to put the brakes on this proposal. >> pelley: nancy, the senate is one thing. you have to imagine this is going to have a lot of trouble in the house. >> reporter: that's true. we learned today a similar move is taking place in the house. a group of democrats and republicans working quietly behind the scenes to craft policy
by elizabeth warren, john mccain, and hillary clinton. a vote on his nomination by the full senate is expected next week. >> good morning. this hearing of the senate foreign relations committee will come to order. let me ask, as i did yesterday, i ask unanimous consent of returning members to allow prospective member to complete -- participate in today's hearing. if there is no objection, it is so ordered. let me start by saying, you are not at the table yet, senator. we will have you there shortly. wow. let me say, mr. chairman, you are still our committees chaired, deeply humbled to preside over the committee today as we consider your nomination. we are honored to welcome you as the president's nominee for a position you have most deservedly earned. the first time you testified before chairman fulbright as a young returning vietnam war hero in 1971 to the day the president nominated and announced your nomination as secretary of state. you may not be aware of it, but you'll be the first member of this panel to send directly to the position since senator john sherman of ohio. you are clearly m
warren and senator mccain in introducing president obama's nominee. i was very honored when john asked me to take part in this. john is the right choice to carry forward the obama administration's foreign policy. i urge speedy confirmation. as we have heard from both the chairman and ranking member and senator warren, he will bring a record of leadership at service -- and service that is exemplary. he has a view of the world that he has acted on first as a young returning veteran from vietnam who appeared before this committee for the time that he -- through the time that he served with such distinction as its chairman. he has been a valued partner to this administration and to me personally. he has fought for our diplomats and development experts. he understands the value of investing in america's global leadership. as we work to implement the accountability review board's recommendations, he is committed to doing whatever it takes to prevent another attack and protect our people around the world. working together, we have achieved a great deal. the state department and usaid have a lot
. the questioning for mutual friend john mccain isn't unexpected. he promised it and he delivered it. but i do recall his opening comments introducing new and brought me back to my first days in the senate when you and john mccain and the amount veterans work together in a noble task to was double-edged relations in vietnam which continue to this day to deal with the controversy all contentious issues and can to you as a brand new cementer, both of you, on behalf of the congressman from florida that had been named ambassador, first ambassador in vietnam by pete peterson himself a prisoner of war and you have done an extraordinary job of moving them forward and giving him a chance to serve. john mccain, thank you for reminding that chapter of the public career and reminding me what you and john kerry accomplished together. i want to ask you a question about the role of the department of state and the security of the united states. it's often called upon to negotiate to make it safer. certainly since world war ii there has involved nuclear weapons as it does to the state as we discussed the futu
and that pregnancy is an issue. to senator john mccain it's really a question of equal standards for certain demanding jobs. >> i think women obviously are prepared to serve side by side with men in combat. i just want to emphasize though there shouldn't be the same physical and mental standards for anyone to perform certain roles and functions in the military many women say it's just a question of equal rights since serving in combat allows the soldiers to advance through the ranks farther and faster. >> we need to treat people like individuals. what are the capabilities they bring to the fight, which includes physical strengths, plus courage, plus aptitude, plus leadership and all the other things we need to have the most effective fighting force. >> military chiefs now until may 15th to make their case to the defense secretary about which jobs if any should still exclude women, heather. >> steve centanni live for us from washington. thank you, steve. greg? >> frantic search for an american woman missing in the middle east. the new york city mother of two vanished during a trip to turkey.
like durbin and schumer, liberal democrats going along with something with john mccain and lindsey graham, that's a pretty good sign that this will pass easily in the senate. i think one of the most intriguing stories is the fight for credit. i think there are going to be a lot of people headed by marco rubio who will want to get a lot of this credit. lori: on the political side but it also begs the question, right, greg, what happens to the millions of illegal immigrants already living and working in this country? will it put pressure on available jobs and other services like hospital care, et cetera, what do you think?. >> i don't think so. i would prefer to take a positive spin on this entire story. i think if you look at a country like japan which is a demographic train wreck with a huge deficit, much bigger than ours, we're adding lots of people who will pay social security taxes. who will pay other taxes. you're adding to our population i think a workforce that will actually help our fiscal issues far more than a country say like japan. lori: good comparison. help our fiscal
-- creepy. >> but look at that togetherness. >> we did have that. john mccain, mitt romney, marco rubio, newt gingrich, all you know talking about climate change saying we need to address it. what change? two things. first of all, the great recession. when people are concerned about the economy, issues that are important like climate change fall down the scale. the second, the rise of the tea party. are you willing to work with the other side? newt gingrich took a lot of heat for that ad with nancy pelosi during the campaign. those two factors drive this issue down, but something like hurricane sandy, that could be a wake-up call. >> and hurricane sandy cost a lot of money. now, it's tough with all the pork that went in the bills, but we got a $50 billion appropriation that just came to affected states. that cost a lot of money. so might it not, even if we're not really sure what a cut in emissions might do right now to the trajectory of the climate change that we've experienced, mite it not be worth trying to do something about things? whether through carbon monoxide emissio emissions,
. >> john is the right choice. and i urge his speedy confirmation. >> it's john john mccain so nice. much better reception than clinton herds got yesterday during the testimony of the bengahzi attacks. but it wasn't all warm and fuzzy. senator rob johnson who went after hillary clinton tried to get kerry to contradict hillary clinton's testimony. but he did not take the bait. take a listen. >> senator, if you're trying to get some daylight between me and secretary of state hillary clinton, that's not going to happen today on that score. >> jennifer: when it became clear that he could not get him to turn on hillary clinton he tried to get john kerry to criticize the bengahzi situation, and then he turned it around and made senator johnson look foolish. >> you worked with me then. i'm going on so we can get that behind us so we can find out what happened, then we can move onioned that. can you make that commitment to me. >> senator, in all fairness i think we do know what happened. i think that it is very clear clear--were you at the briefing with the tapes? >> no. >> well, there was a brie
and pregnancy is an issue. to senator john mccain, it's equal standards for certain demanding jobs. >> i think women are obviously -- are prepared to serve side by side with men in combat. i just want to emphasize, though, there should be the same physical and mental standards for anyone to perform certain roles and functions in the military. >> reporter: many say it's a question of equal rights and serving in combat allows a soldier to advance through the ranks, farther and faster. >> the bottom line is we need to treat people like individuals. what are the capabilities they bring to the fight, including physical strength, plus courage, plus aptitude, plus leadership and all the things we need for the most effective fighting force. >> reporter: military service chiefs have until may 15 to make their case about which jobs if any should still exclude women. >> jamie: steve centanni, thanks so much. eric? >> eric: jamie, president obama campaigned on hope and change. but washington and the nation is more polarized. take a look at the numbers. a new fox news poll shows 84% of democrats approve of
is senator warren from massachusetts. senator john mccain, of course, who will introduce senator john a. boehner. also, they're -- senator john kerry. also they're waiting for hillary clinton, john kerry to be the next secretary of state. secretary clinton wrapping up 5 1/2 hours of testimony before this committee and also before the house foreign affairs committee yesterday on the attacks in benghazi. you can find those in our video library at c-span.org. >> on c-span is waiting for the start of the hearing, confirmation hearing for john kerry to be the next secretary of state. this morning announced by the white house that the president will nominate mary jo white to be the new securities and exchange commission commissioner. and we will have live coverage of his announcement expected to be this afternoon at 2:30 eastern here on c-span. >> good morning. this hearing of the senate foreign relations committee to consider the next -- the nominee for the secretary of state will come to order. let me, again, ask as i did yesterday, since the full senate has not yet passed the committee res
introducing you and it brought me back to my first days in the senate when you and john mccain, vietnam veterans, workled together in a noble task to establish normal relations with vietnam which continue to this day and to deal with the controversial, contentious issue of p.o.w.'s and m.i.a.'s. i came here as a brand new senator, on behalf of pete peterson, the congressman from florida, who had been named first ambassador to vietnam by president clinton, pete peterson himself a five-year prisoner of war as an air force pilot and you two did an extraordinary job moving him forward and giving him the chance to serve. thank you for reminding me of that chapter in my public clear and what you and john kerry accomplished together. i want to talk about the role of the united states, it is called upon to negotiate, to make it safer. certainly since world war ii, it has involved nuclear weapons and it does to this day as we discussed the future of nuclear entrance like, god forbid, iran intoork the nuclear club, which we don't want to see happen. we also know there came a new threat, terrorism
with secretary clinton and senator mccain to introduce my senior senator and my friend, senator john kerry. i have the privilege speaking for a man i know will continue in the tradition of john quincy adams and christian herder as great secretaries from the commonwealth of massachusetts. although john learned much about diplomacy overseas and in the senate, he would be the first to tell you that massachusetts is also a great teacher of diplomatic skills, whether it was negotiating his way to make the ballot as long shot underdog in a five-way heavily contested state convention back in 1982, or the way he brought labor and management to the table, locked the parties in his senate office over a long weekend, brought in duncan doughnuts and negotiated an end to the 92-day long brockton nurses strike. if anyone wants to learn diplomacy, come to our massachusetts politics. john's story is well-known to all of us, as a youth of a son of a young foreign officer and learning about foreign policy at the dinner table each night to his service in combat in vietnam. less well-known is the story of his fo
john mccain supports the kerry nomination. but he again criticized president obama for not taking stronger action against the assad regime. >> we are sowing the wind in syria, and we're going reap the whirlwind. and that whirlwind will be the increased presence of al-qaida and islamist groups, which are now flooding into syria, as you know. and we can do a lot more without putting american boots on the ground, and we can prevent this further slaughter and massacre and inhumanity. otherwise, we will be judged very, very harshly by history. >> i have complete understanding of where you're coming from on this and knowing your frustration and know what you're trying to say about it. what i think everybody worries about, john, is that if you have a complete implosion of the state, nobody has clear definition of how you put those pieces back together, number one. and number two, you have a much greater risk with respect to the chemical weapons. now, that's why i want to get in and see what the contingency plans are because i can't measure risk without having a sense of what's on the tab
john mccain saying her responses were not good enough. that exchange was quite civil and polite. secretary clinton took full responsibility for the lack ever adequate security in her opening statement, which brought her to tears. >> for me, this is not just a matter of policy. it is personal. i stood next to president obama as the marines carried those flag-draped kass tets off the plane at andrews. i put my arms around the mothers and fathers, the sisters and brothers, sons and daughter and wives left alone to raise their children. >> as for the controversial talking points said repeatedly on susan rice if the fall, clinton said she wasn't involved in the creation of the talking point. if you want to see a repeat of the soundbite from hillary clinton, you can see it on cnbc.com. >> they were driven completely from the white house? >> she said she was extremely busy calling the president of tunisia, and trying to beef up embassies and facilities -- >> odd that secretary of state wouldn't be involved in the developing of that. going to the u.n. ambassador who was the person opt t
, senator john mccain, ranking member of the armed services committee, joins a bipartisan group of senators suggesting changes in dealing with the syrian civil war. >> coming up on "washington journal," the freshman democrat from nevada will discuss his first war priorities and issues before the congress, including spending, immigration, and gun control. he is all about congressman lee terry, republican from nebraska. he will be here to talk about the decision by a state governor to approve the rerouting of the keystone pipeline through his state and the potential economic impact. that is like 7:00 a.m. eastern every day on c-span. >> c-span, created by america's cable companies in 1979, brought to you as a public service by your television provider. >> former imf chief economist said tuesday that the debt ceiling debate and debt and deficit talks should be separate. mr. johnson testified before the house and the ways and means committee on a panel that included the former staff director of the senate budget committee. this is two hours, 10 minutes. >> in the audience, take a seat. we are e
. >> shannon: immigration reform will be front and center this week. senator john mccain is part of a group of senators poised to announce their plans for the controversial issue this week. one of our most clicked stories on fox news .com. peter doocy is standing by with more. >> senator mccain told america's news headquarters the announcement is expect #-d early this week though he didn't give any spiv. he hopes the new principles will find support outside the senate as well. >> it is very important that we act in coordination with the white house rather than opposition and with our house colleagues. but i believe we need to enact comprehensive immigration reform and i'm pleased to be part of that effort and i know that it is not without controversy. >> another popular story online, former murder suspect casey anthony has filed for bankruptcy in it a tampa court. anthony who was acquitted of killing her daughter caylee says she has more than $800,000 in debt and is unemployed. >>> a whopper of a sendoff for the fast food lover. a pennsylvania man was laid to rest this week but not before t
. a lot of people feel that would be beneath presidential inaugural speech. john mccain said i've been to seven of these and usually it's all about extending the hand across the aisle. that wasn't in this particular speech. in the "wall street journal" today, they write, we want the president to succeed because we all succeed as a country if that happens, but the second term breaks down to rancor and gridlock, it's very clear, it will be for republicans, i'm in your face. >> brian: what i did enjoy is seeing his family. he's a great family man, does a great job with the girls. to see their excitement. >> steve: it was a beautiful day for america. that's how it works here. >> gretchen: more people turned out than expected. so that was also an interesting emblematic of the election. >> steve: it's now 11 minutes after the top of the hour. don't pass a budget, don't get paid. that's the message that some lawmakers are proposing in order to get things moving in washington. will that make things budge is this we're going to talk about that next. >> brian: look at this. he's wrestling crocod
newtown. senator john mccain is on the senate foreign relations panel now. so is senator rand paul. on the senate side we may have some more pointed questions, but we will have to see. on the house side, they say they want to have more bipartisan attitude towards hearings. it is hard to tell at this point. there's a lot of new blood. this is their first chance, a big public opportunity to show where they are headed. so it is hardr -- to tell. probably the senate will have more pointed questions. host: give us a hint of something you will be watching for today. is there anything secretary clinton could do to damage your future politically? anything the republicans could do that might signify how confirmation hearings could go in the next couple weeks for secretary of state? guest: a few lawmakers, and the gramm in particular, have said that they had wanted to hear her testify before taking action on senator john kerry. -- lindsey graham in particular has said. the fallout from benghazi is already happened, to a large extent. president obama's first choice to be secretary of state, s
't say that. there is john mccain who knows something about losing to barack obama, he did it four years ago. but it strikes me -- i guess i was stuck to the degree that this was an unyielding and compromising of an espousal. i basically thought to myself that it was a poetic version of a speech he would make accepting the nomination of the democratic national convention, saying this is what i want and if i get to be elected, now, he has been elected and inaugurated, this is what i intend to do. bret: what you do is you go general. you articulate widely agreeable themes. there's actually some of the little bit more like the state of the union address specific sites of things that he thinks ought to be done. this was somewhere of a typical inaugural address and you may make general reference to programs but it's usually veiled in such a way that you are not accused of sticking your i in your critics >> we talk about how the party should come together. how they should not talk over each other. "the washington post" also had the communications director in which he is talking about legacy an
this past week, you know, when john mccain said are we or are we not the friends of the syrian people? it was senator kerry who pointed out that, you know, this is a country not unlike many in the region that has so many dimensions to it, not the least of which is what happens, you know, once the various sectarian factions, sunni, shia, drews, et cetera, how do they play out? what happens with the kurds? where are the arms going? where is the money going? and in a way -- sorry, just to finish up the point. in a way this is the obliqueness phyllis is talking about. nobody is going to say look at what has happened with libya. they're not going to say that, obviously. but this is part of the lesson learning mission that soon-to-be secretary kerry is on and needs to be on in order to figure out how do we not be part of the problem anymore. >> that's absolutely right. it's libya we did intervene and syria we are intervening in the sense of we're sending money and helping other people send weapons so it's not like we're sitting by. but in terms of what happened at libya, that has been the l
party and of cuban descent. he will be influential. john mccain campaigned against george w. bush in 2000, a long time advocate of immigration reform is big advocate of this. democrats almost every case on this bipartisan committee as well as in the senate are expected to follow the president's lead whatever he outlines tomorrow many they're on board with that agenda. the big question and stumbling block has been for decades is border security. how do you define it, how do you support it? this includes the use of drones, technology, all kinds of electronic surveillance and et cetera, critics say there is not enough. you need a fence and more troops on the border. how that gets legislated and sorted out we her from the president and house republicans will be influence in the outcome. house republicans want to be very much a part of passing this legislation this time. jamie: i would love to see our troops continue to work down there. that would be so helpful. carl, thanks. jon: for more on the immigration reform plan let's bring if karl rove, former chief visor and deputy chief of s
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